Okay, I have to be careful how to say this – and no, I haven’t seen this at our current church. Bethlehem is great on this issue.
Also, I think this is a bit controversial. I’d like to hear from someone on the other side.
It is widely acknowledged that it is a tricky business trying to determine if your child is a child of God. I know it is a common occurrence for a parent to wonder if the statement of faith or a prayer uttered spoken by their daughter when she was eight (or six or ten) meant that she had truly experienced second birth or if she was merely saying words. This is a given.
So churches shouldn’t add to the complexity of the situation or make things more potentially confusing. And here’s one way that people in children’s ministries (often with good hearts and godly motivations) add to the confusion: by too aggressively encouraging children to make Gospel decisions at church.
I was once, for example, at a presentation to a group of first graders and at the end the pastor said “How many of you would like give your life to Christ? Please raise your hand and one of the leaders will meet with you.” Hands went up everywhere. But that’s what primary-aged kids do. They go along with things, whether they know what it’s about or not.
So now what are the parents supposed to think when their son or daughter, on the way home says “I prayed with a leader tonight. Am I going to heaven?” They may have no idea what the situation was or what the prayer was or what lead up to it.
Might not the mom or dad reasonably be troubled by this? The child’s heart is primarily the parents’ responsibility after all – not the church’s.
Now don’t get me wrong. If a parent, knowing their child’s heart, and the questions they’ve been asking and the behavior they’ve been showing, asks their son or daughter, “Would you like to pray to Jesus right now?”, it may be a very real salvation that occurs – or the beginning of a true process. But if a young child has been approached by a church volunteer to pray ‘the prayer’, and the child agrees and then does it – this signifies just about zero in the heart of the child. To the contrary, it may serve to confuse the child and his parents down the road. We never want to cause false assurance.
What do you think? Am I off base on this?
Other clarifications:
– Age matters, obviously. Teenagers are (or should be) approaching adulthood. They have much more maturity. Altar calls at youth retreats are not what I’m talking about here.
– I am not against teaching kids about their need. The Gospel must be presented to children of all ages (including saved adults – over and over again). They must be taught early and often that they are sinners in need of a Savior and Jesus is that Savior.
– Announcing to a class after the gospel is presented that all of the leaders are available to talk about these things at any time is different from approaching the children individually and asking them if they want to say the prayer.
– So the reader might be wondering – what would I do if a child came up to me* in the middle of a session with interest about how to be saved and wishing to pray. Well, first I would show my genuine interest (if you aren’t genuinely interested in a child’s wanting to understand the gospel, you are probably in the wrong ministry) and ask lots of questions. I would then say “Let’s talk about this with your Mom or Dad – can we do this after Sunday school is done?” and then follow through and talk with the child’s parents with the child present. I’d happily speak to them about the child’s interest. I’d tell the parents of my availability to be a part of the process if the parents wish it. And if the parents aren’t able to carry through with the process of shepherding the child’s heart I would make sure they get the right resources. This could be very helpful in the spiritual life of the parents as well. It would be an honor to be a part of this.
Update: My wife recalls being present with a first grade class where the leader “told the kids that if they wanted to ask Jesus into their hearts, they would get a little booklet which she held up for all to see, and I think ALL the kids raised their hands!”
Not good.
* I have been working with Wednesday night children’s ministries (K-1) for 10 years.
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August 14, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Camille
Hi Jam…
I have been bouncing around your two blogs and just wanted to say thanks.
As for this post – I agree with you almost 100%. The only I disagree with is the youth ministry. I know each church is different, but the church I went to as a young person (from 8 to 14?) was real big on getting people saved. It was almost expected by the time you were 13. …and you got to go up into the Baptismal pool which was off-limits at all times (other than being baptized, of course). So, you guessed it – I turned 13, felt the pressure, walked the aisle and ‘gave my life to Christ’. For the next 20 years I totally lived my life for myself. God was ‘out there’, and I believed in HIm. I knew about Christ – but I didn’t truly know Christ. God was Sundays and sometimes Wednesday nights. He was called on in passionate moments and desperate moments, but definitely was not lived for. Now, if any one questioned my Christianity, I would upbraid them very neatly with colorful language and ‘judge not, lest you be judged’ thrown in for good measure.
At 33, my eyes, ears, and heart were opened. I then realized I truly never knew the Lord, I was not living for Him, and I was chasing hard after the world.
So – as a kid who was told by the church that I was saved – I am against ‘pushing kids into’ saying a prayer or what have you. I have known very few children who seem to truly have a heart for the Lord..but they are out there. In essence, I was an innocent sheep being led to a slaughter that I didn’t understand, didn’t acknowledge, and didn’t think could happen to me.
By the grace of God, my life was spared (which blows me away on so many levels!), until such a time He truly drew me to Himself and opened my eyes. How incredibly sweet it is!
I think you have a good idea on ‘what you would do’…but another question would be, what to do for the child that has a hunger – but whose parents are not believers? This was my case. I went to church with a friend’s family. My dad actually kicked the visiting deacons out of our house one time when they came for a visitatioin since I hadn’t been to church. They never came back, and never talked to me about it afterwards. My parents raised us kids to be moral and ethical..they believed in God (much like I believed) – but by no means did they follow His word, nor did they teach His precepts to us. Christ was only spoken of in her house as an expression of surprise or sometimes a curse.
Many blessings to you –
Camille
January 21, 2018 at 1:23 pm
maieka c
I totally agree with you there needs to be conviction of the Spirit of the Holy Ghost not just feeling bad but a real conviction At my Church we don’t do that either we also don’t believe in telling kids they’re saved we let them tell us and then we look for the evidence of it. Because if someone as big as God moves into your heart they’ll be evidence.
August 14, 2009 at 9:07 pm
sheena
You’re absolutely right on this one.
We’re not saved by walking the aisle, raising our hands or even praying a prayer, we’re saved by faith in Christ.
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August 15, 2009 at 9:48 am
jamsco
“no 7 on todays fastest ” Excellent. No, I didn’t know that.
August 15, 2009 at 9:50 am
jamsco
“what to do for the child that has a hunger – but whose parents are not believers”
A good question. Trying to understand a hunger in the heart of a child is different from just asking them “Do you want to pray right now?” with no indication of hunger.
So you make a very good point. I think the churches need to be more proactive in finding the children who are searching for salvation.
August 17, 2009 at 9:09 am
fundyreformed
Great post, Jamsco. I was just talking about this over on my blog last week:
The Faith of Children: How Do We Know Our Children are Saved?
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May 6, 2014 at 11:28 am
Kris
First let me say I can understand your points on this subject but I disagree somewhat because I was a child at 8 years old that responded to an alter call. I can’t say that I had been gathering information on salvation and that’s what helped me make that decision that day but I do remember the pastor telling me about what Christ had done for me and I felt sadness in my heart that he had died for my sins. I know children will eagerly go with the flow and it may not be an actual heart change for some but even if there is just one in their child like faith that responds and truly comprehends enough that their life is changed then it is worth it don’t you think?
As I have grown older the gravity of that decision has also grown into a much deeper understanding and the sacrifice that was made for me which just at the thought brings me to tears. Today, yes, I am more appreciative, more educated, more sinfully experienced now then I was at 8 to understand the full spectrum of salvation but that is not what God expects from us in order to receive his gift, it’s just the child like faith to believe in our hearts that he requires.
May 6, 2014 at 8:03 pm
Chris Candide
Easy. There is no such thing as an “altar” in a Christian church. The sacrifice is once and for all, complete. An “altar call” is not a Christian practice for anyone of any age.
May 6, 2014 at 11:24 pm
jamsco
Kris – first, thanks for your thoughtful comment. Second, I praise God for your story and your salvation. It sounds like your pastor shepherded you well. Was it an altar call for the whole church and you went forward? Because I’m not opposed to all altar calls – just those in a children’s setting.
I’m very hesitant to say that children’s altar calls are worth it if one child truly comprehends because (1) in almost all case, a child who is ready and responsive will come forward in another setting (with a pastor or a parent), and (2) the likely great number of false assurances and confused children and parents when there are children’s altar calls.
I hope that makes sense.
May 6, 2014 at 11:25 pm
jamsco
Chris Candide, would you like it better if it was called something else – like a “call to come forward and accept the gospel?”
Or are you a universalist?